[Beth Curran]

Herman, yer risking getting the token freethinker on the list started on
another theological NMOC..... However, that was not my intention, just
trying to cut the Oilz a little slack on their choice of pronouns. -
Beth

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[mailto:powderworks-bounces at cs-lists.cs.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of
Mathias Hermansson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:30 AM
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Subject: RE: [Powderworks] lyrics help? - has become NMOC by now

Close but no cigarr, Beth!

Even that way I don't think it does justice to the great divine. The 
gender-neutral word "man" does imply the meaning "mankind" which would
make 
the lyrics say that God was a good being of mankind. I don't like to
think 
that God is of mankind. He/She must, IMHO, be of another kind, otherwise
God 
would not be Divine/Holy/God but just some big boss...

I Ould not agree the God is a good MAN or for that sake a good WOMAN but

rather God is a good GOD!

/Herman - son of a daughter of a preacherman


>Well, the word "man" does have a gender-neutral meaning when used as an
>abstract pronoun, though admittedly it's not much used that way
nowadays
>- But the gender-neutral usage of "man" also pops up in Renaissance
Man,
>even if they did toss in a "woman" there at the end to sorta even
things
>out. - Beth
>
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>[mailto:powderworks-bounces at cs-lists.cs.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of
>Glitch
>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:10 PM
>To: powderworks at cs.colorado.edu
>Subject: Re: [Powderworks] lyrics help?
>
>I guess that's why I never much liked MTM; I resist the idea of God as
a
>man, and when I first heard this song as a kid was incapable of
>understanding irony, sarcasm, satire, or however else you might
>otherwise
>interpret this lyric.  Never much liked it since.  Time for another
>listen,
>this time with "grown up" ears.
>
>Thanks to all who helped on the Phar Lap thing.  I knew Phar Lap was a
>racehorse and always wondered how or why he would be floating in a jar;
>thought maybe phar lap meant something different in this context.
>
>-GB
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>got your last meal filled up with pesticide
>hamburger chain third world infanticide
>got robot car your job will disappear
>it's called the politics of a brand new year
>some say that's progress i say that's cruel
>
>--midnight oil
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> > That would be way better, a great lyric and idea. "Everybody say God
>is
> > a good man" means arrogant presumption on the part of people to even
> > assume that God is a man. And in that light, the lyric "Is he his
own
> > man?" (as opposed to being the "man" some people presume "he" is) is
> > brilliant. I hope it's what they meant.
> >
> > -Jim
> >
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2004, at 8:15 PM, Andy Gillcrist wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> 1.  Reckon it still is "Is he a Soul Man" on the original CD
> >>
> >> To me, this has always sounded like "Is he his own man?"  And I
> >> even thought I saw that written down somewhere, but I'm damned
> >> if I can remember where now.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
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