[Powderworks] future??
Bruce Robertson
the_oil_fish@yahoo.ca
Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey Oilman,
Of course, you're right too. The face and voice we all associate with the Oils has moved on, but the heart and guts of the band remains intact if perhaps a little disappointed by Pete's decision. (as are we eh!)
I think Pete himself once said all he did was contribute a lyric 'here and there' otherwise he was strictly a frontman. I think he was selling himself a little short, but the reality is his huge presence did often eclipse a tightly knit star cluster of pure musical genius. (at least for those outside the circle of true Oily understanding ie the mad little cyberband of scary fanatics like us p'workers! we of course, despite our mad tendencies, always understood that there was much more to the Oils than that huge lurching head) ;)
warm wishes from the great northern plain,
bruce in calgary
Midnight Oil Rule the Earth <TheOilman@new.rr.com> wrote:You are right Bruce, he did give it 110% for a lot of years, especially for making a living out of singing which no one thought he could do in the first place! Quite the testament to his desire and commitment. I didn't intend to make him out to be "the bad guy" more just venting some frustration at the passing of an incredible era of Australian music, one that many of us are reluctant to see come to an end.
My feeling on the songwriting credits is a true statement however and Midnight Oil still fully exists due to the 2 primary songwriters that wrote nearly everything are still active and always itching for an outlet. Thank god for the Ghosties and I am incredibly happy to hear about Jim and another Fuzz Face project as the first was such a classic.
I knew I'd ruffle feathers, it always happens on this board! :-) (Anyone care to debate U2 vs Midnight Oil for the millionth time! :-)
I do believe what someone said about REM though, they lost a founding member and continued but I don't think it would have been possible had it been Mike.
Oh yeah, Midnight Oil still rule the Earth ;-) Had to have that name for a joke about how fanatical they think Pworkers are.
peace.
Oilman
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Robertson
To: powderworks@cs.colorado.edu
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] future??
Re: the Bleeding demise of the Oils
See me suffer see me pain
Must be somone else to blame
See me suffer see me pain
49 year old father and activist retires from rock band to spend what time he has left with family and in pursuit of passions. Sounds like a plan to me. Does every story need a bad guy?
Pete served the band, his country, the earth, and the fans well for 25 years. Bugger all, I won't stand for this kind of sh*t slinging against a man of such integrity. Please lets' don't let disappointment get the better of us eh!
cheers,
bruce in calgary
Midnight Oil Rule the Earth <TheOilman@new.rr.com> wrote:
Bingo Nina, my estimation too.
And Peter most likely never wrote anything other than lyrics, and that
usually only meant help in a verse or something like that.
Jim, Rob and Martin are the musicians. Heck, Pete and Rob HIRED Pete. In my
opinion, they cannot continued without him because of the public perception
of the band even though they were fully prepared to go on without him in 85
and make Rob the singer.
Petes ego has been harmful to the band chemistry for quite some time. Didn't
you ever wonder why at the height of popularity they suddenly change
songwriting credits to Midnight Oil and then after popularity fades that
they go back to the actual credits?
I'm bitter about Pete's decision based on how drastic it affects the
families of the other members as well as the music. He was with them for so
long and had to know what his de! cision would mean, guess I'm just really
loyal and maybe that's why I have trouble with his decision to go do
something that he publicly slandered and despised for so long.
Let's all hope the remaining members do something together, they have so
much creativity and talent!
Oilman
----- Original Message -----
From: "nina"
To: "rick" ; "Randy Van Vliet"
; ;
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] future??
> i also have to agree that rob seems bitter - or maybe annoyed - with
peter,
> but i don't think it's just about music credits.
>
> i wonder if in general, pete was separating from the group, creating
> resentment among the members. i can recall a few times after shows last
year
> when the band members would graci! ously mingle with fans for a few minutes,
> only for peter to be constantly MIA. one of those times, i recall rob
> rolling his eyes when he asked where peter was and someone mentioned that
he
> had left. in my perception, i found pete to be the least friendly and
warm
> of the band members. i wonder if rob and the guys sensed that too.
> (obviously they really know peter and i don't, so who am i to have such an
> opinion, but anyway...).
>
> nina
>
>
> on 6/5/03 11:07 PM, rick at rickysan@speedlink.com.au wrote:
>
> > I'd have to agree with that too.
> >
> >
> > I've been particularly interested how Rob has said a few times that
> > "the songwriters are still in the band".
> >
> > I think that over the years Pete has had more songwriting credits than
> > Rob.Maybe Rob is referring to the fact that Pete hasn't written any of
the
> > music???I don't know.
> >
> > When! ever i saw Pete's name on a song i pretty much assumed that he
> > wrote the bulk of the lyrics and Jim and Rob came up with the music and
> > maybe the chorus.
> >
> > I've always wondered that about songwriting credits.How much do you
> > have to contribute to get a credit? 1 line,3 lines, a verse?
> >
> > For example,i've always wondered if when a songwriter brings a song
> > to his band,does he have the bass lines and the drum beat worked out
too.I
> > guess it varies, but sometimes the bass or the drums can be the main
hook of
> > the song and i sometimes think if that bassist or drummer came up with
that
> > themselves then their name should be on the song.
> >
> > I'm not sure if Rob's bitter about Pete leaving or it's because
> > he is aware of the fact that, to some ignorant people, Midnight Oil *IS*
> > Peter Garrett and h! e is probably trying to dispel that myth.
> >
> >
> > RICK
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Randy Van Vliet"
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Powderworks] future??
> >
> >
> >> Does it seem that Rob is, how to say, less than
> >> pleased with Pete's departure from the band. I don't
> >> have anything to base it on except for trying to read
> >> between the lines of Rob's various interviews from his
> >> book tour that he kind of resents the fact that
> >> everyone seems to assume that PG WAS the band and that
> >> since he split, that the band would die. Also he
> >> seems to be very loud about reminding us that the
> >> *music* talent hasn't gone anywhere. Makes me wonder
> >> if he and PG ! may have had a falling out?
> >> Just wondering.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> --- sweetapj@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>> Got this from Tom Spencer, who is temporarily
> >>> unsubscribed due to exams!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Brisbane News 4/6/03, p.24
> >>>>
> >>>> In an interesting interview with Rob re: his book
> >>>> (which I won't transcribe in full due to exam
> >>>> pressures) :
> >>>>
> >>>> .For fans of Midnight Oil, however, the news isn't
> >>> all
> >>>> bad. They may have lost one of rock's most
> >>> charismatic
> >>>> and recognisable frontmen in Peter Garrett, but
> >>> the
> >>>> other band members plan to record together again.> >>>>
> >>>> It will be under a di fferent name, with bass
> >>> player
> >>>> Bones Hillman on vocals, and the guys haven't even
> >>>> decided what sort of music it will be, or whether
> >>>> they'll tour. The only definite is that the band
> >>> will
> >>>> live on.
> >>>>
> >>>> 'I'm going to get together with Jim, Martin
> >>> (Rotsey)
> >>>> and Bones in the next few weeks and start working
> >>>> towards some new songs', Rob says.
> >>>>
> >>>> 'The singers are still in Midnight Oil, we've
> >>> still
> >>>> got strong vocalists, and the songwriters are
> >>> still in
> >>>> Midnight Oil, and we've got this shared history.
> >>> I'm
> >>>> looking forward to doing that.'
> >&! gt;>>
> >>>> The political issues that defined Midnight Oil
> >>> will
> >>>> also still have a strong presence. Rob says those
> >>>> issues have never been more important to him, and
> >>>> expressing his opinions through music has always
> >>> been
> >>>> his way.
> >>>>
> >>>> 'We've always just made our music and put it out
> >>> there
> >>>> and joined the chorus of disapproval'.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to Tom in Brissie!!
> >>>
> >>> Jill in Atlant
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Powderworks@cs.colorado.edu
> >>>
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> >>
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<DIV>Hey Oilman,</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, you're right too. The face and voice we all associate with the Oils has moved on, but the heart and guts of the band remains intact if perhaps a little disappointed by Pete's decision. (as are we eh!)</DIV>
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<DIV>I think Pete himself once said all he did was contribute a lyric 'here and there' otherwise he was strictly a frontman. I think he was selling himself a little short, but the reality is his huge presence did often eclipse a tightly knit star cluster of pure musical genius. (at least for those outside the circle of true Oily understanding ie the mad little cyberband of scary fanatics like us p'workers! we of course, despite our mad tendencies, always understood that there was much more to the Oils than that huge lurching head) ;)</DIV>
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<DIV>warm wishes from the great northern plain,</DIV>
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<DIV>bruce in calgary<BR></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><B><I>Midnight Oil Rule the Earth <TheOilman@new.rr.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You are right Bruce, he did give it 110% for a lot of years, especially for making a living out of singing which no one thought he could do in the first place! Quite the testament to his desire and commitment. I didn't intend to make him out to be "the bad guy" more just venting some frustration at the passing of an incredible era of Australian music, one that many of us are reluctant to see come to an end.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My feeling on the songwriting credits is a true statement however and Midnight Oil still fully exists due to the 2 primary songwriters that wrote nearly everything are still active and always itching for an outlet. Thank god for the Ghosties and I am incredibly happy to hear about Jim and another Fuzz Face project as the first was such a classic.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I knew I'd ruffle feathers, it always happens on this board! :-) (Anyone care to debate U2 vs Midnight Oil for the millionth time! :-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do believe what someone said about REM though, they lost a founding member and continued but I don't think it would have been possible had it been Mike.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh yeah, Midnight Oil still rule the Earth ;-) Had to have that name for a joke about how fanatical they think Pworkers are.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>peace.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oilman</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=the_oil_fish@yahoo.ca href="mailto:the_oil_fish@yahoo.ca">Bruce Robertson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=powderworks@cs.colorado.edu href="mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks@cs.colorado.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 06, 2003 11:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Powderworks] future??</DIV>
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<DIV>Re: the Bleeding demise of the Oils</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>See me suffer see me pain<BR>Must be somone else to blame<BR>See me suffer see me pain<BR></DIV>
<DIV>49 year old father and activist retires from rock band to spend what time he has left with family and in pursuit of passions. Sounds like a plan to me. Does every story need a bad guy?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pete served the band, his country, the earth, and the fans well for 25 years. Bugger all, I won't stand for this kind of sh*t slinging against a man of such integrity. Please lets' don't let disappointment get the better of us eh!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>cheers,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>bruce in calgary<BR><BR><B><I>Midnight Oil Rule the Earth <TheOilman@new.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Bingo Nina, my estimation too.<BR><BR>And Peter most likely never wrote anything other than lyrics, and that<BR>usually only meant help in a verse or something like that.<BR><BR>Jim, Rob and Martin are the musicians. Heck, Pete and Rob HIRED Pete. In my<BR>opinion, they cannot continued without him because of the public perception<BR>of the band even though they were fully prepared to go on without him in 85<BR>and make Rob the singer.<BR><BR>Petes ego has been harmful to the band chemistry for quite some time. Didn't<BR>you ever wonder why at the height of popularity they suddenly change<BR>songwriting credits to Midnight Oil and then after popularity fades that<BR>they go back to the actual credits?<BR><BR>I'm bitter about Pete's decision based on how drastic it affects the<BR>families of the other members as well as the music. He was with them for so<BR>long and had to know what his de! cision would mean, guess I'm just really<BR>loyal and maybe that's why I have trouble with his decision to go do<BR>something that he publicly slandered and despised for so long.<BR><BR>Let's all hope the remaining members do something together, they have so<BR>much creativity and talent!<BR><BR>Oilman<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "nina" <NINAJILL73@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To: "rick" <RICKYSAN@SPEEDLINK.COM.AU>; "Randy Van Vliet"<BR><BIGDADDYRV@YAHOO.COM>; <SWEETAPJ@BELLSOUTH.NET>;<BR><POWDERWORKS@CS.COLORADO.EDU><BR>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:45 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Powderworks] future??<BR><BR><BR>> i also have to agree that rob seems bitter - or maybe annoyed - with<BR>peter,<BR>> but i don't think it's just about music credits.<BR>><BR>> i wonder if in general, pete was separating from the group, creating<BR>> resentment among the members. i can recall a few times after shows last<BR>year<BR>> when the band members would graci! ously mingle with fans for a few minutes,<BR>> only for peter t
o be constantly MIA. one of those times, i recall rob<BR>> rolling his eyes when he asked where peter was and someone mentioned that<BR>he<BR>> had left. in my perception, i found pete to be the least friendly and<BR>warm<BR>> of the band members. i wonder if rob and the guys sensed that too.<BR>> (obviously they really know peter and i don't, so who am i to have such an<BR>> opinion, but anyway...).<BR>><BR>> nina<BR>><BR>><BR>> on 6/5/03 11:07 PM, rick at rickysan@speedlink.com.au wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I'd have to agree with that too.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I've been particularly interested how Rob has said a few times that<BR>> > "the songwriters are still in the band".<BR>> ><BR>> > I think that over the years Pete has had more songwriting credits than<BR>> > Rob.Maybe Rob is referring to the fact that Pete hasn't written any of<BR>the<BR>> > music???I don't know.<BR>> ><BR>> > When! ever i saw Pete's name on a song i pretty much assumed that he<BR>> > wrote the bulk of the lyrics and Jim and Rob came up with the music and<BR>> > maybe the chorus.<BR>> ><BR>> > I've always wondered that about songwriting credits.How much do you<BR>> > have to contribute to get a credit? 1 line,3 lines, a verse?<BR>> ><BR>> > For example,i've always wondered if when a songwriter brings a song<BR>> > to his band,does he have the bass lines and the drum beat worked out<BR>too.I<BR>> > guess it varies, but sometimes the bass or the drums can be the main<BR>hook of<BR>> > the song and i sometimes think if that bassist or drummer came up with<BR>that<BR>> > themselves then their name should be on the song.<BR>> ><BR>> > I'm not sure if Rob's bitter about Pete leaving or it's because<BR>> > he is aware of the fact that, to some ignorant people, Midnight Oil *IS*<BR>> > Peter Garrett and h! e is probably trying to dispel that myth.<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > RICK<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Randy Van Vliet" <BIGDADDYRV@YAHOO.COM><BR>> > To: <SWEETAPJ@BELLSOUTH.NET>; <POWDERWORKS@CS.COLORADO.EDU><BR>> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:36 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Powderworks] future??<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Does it seem that Rob is, how to say, less than<BR>> >> pleased with Pete's departure from the band. I don't<BR>> >> have anything to base it on except for trying to read<BR>> >> between the lines of Rob's various interviews from his<BR>> >> book tour that he kind of resents the fact that<BR>> >> everyone seems to assume that PG WAS the band and that<BR>> >> since he split, that the band would die. Also he<BR>> >> seems to be very loud about reminding us that the<BR>> >> *music* talent hasn't gone anywhere. Makes me wonder<BR>> >> if he and PG ! may have had a falling out?<BR>> >> Just wondering.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Randy<BR>> >><BR>> >> --- sweetapj@bellsouth.net wrote:<BR>> >>> Got this from Tom Spencer, who is temporarily<BR>> >>> unsubscribed due to exams!<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> Brisbane News 4/6/03, p.24<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> In an interesting interview with Rob re: his book<BR>> >>>> (which I won't transcribe in full due to exam<BR>> >>>> pressures) :<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> .For fans of Midnight Oil, however, the news isn't<BR>> >>> all<BR>> >>>> bad. They may have lost one of rock's most<BR>> >>> charismatic<BR>> >>>> and recognisable frontmen in Peter Garrett, but<BR>> >>> the<BR>> >>>> other band members plan to record together again.<B! R>> >>>><BR>> >>>> It will b
e under a di fferent name, with bass<BR>> >>> player<BR>> >>>> Bones Hillman on vocals, and the guys haven't even<BR>> >>>> decided what sort of music it will be, or whether<BR>> >>>> they'll tour. The only definite is that the band<BR>> >>> will<BR>> >>>> live on.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> 'I'm going to get together with Jim, Martin<BR>> >>> (Rotsey)<BR>> >>>> and Bones in the next few weeks and start working<BR>> >>>> towards some new songs', Rob says.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> 'The singers are still in Midnight Oil, we've<BR>> >>> still<BR>> >>>> got strong vocalists, and the songwriters are<BR>> >>> still in<BR>> >>>> Midnight Oil, and we've got this shared history.<BR>> >>> I'm<BR>> >>>> looking forward to doing that.'<BR>> >&! gt;>><BR>> >>>> The political issues that defined Midnight Oil<BR>> >>> will<BR>> >>>> also still have a strong presence. Rob says those<BR>> >>>> issues have never been more important to him, and<BR>> >>>> expressing his opinions through music has always<BR>> >>> been<BR>> >>>> his way.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> 'We've always just made our music and put it out<BR>> >>> there<BR>> >>>> and joined the chorus of disapproval'.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Thanks to Tom in Brissie!!<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Jill in Atlant<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>> Powderworks mailing list<BR>> >>> Powderworks@cs.colorado.edu<BR>> >>><BR>> >> http://www.cs.colorado.edu/mailman/listinfo/powderworks! <BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >&g
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