[Powderworks] Re: Re: Golf? improving nature? fooouurrr
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Messagehmm....improving on nature? from a parking lot to a golf course, =
yes. tear down a shopping mall and slap down some turf, maybe. but =
suggesting a golf course is an improvement on nature only highlights the =
cause of this inherited dilemma...(myopic human arrogance and the =
interpretation that man is separate from nature.)=20
i am surprised this has become an issue to debate being that =
historically, the evidence against golf courses has become an =
irrefutable fact.=20
andrew, it sounds like the golf course you worked on accomplished some =
improvement over the convention. hats should be tipped to those =
responsible. however I would hesitate to make the conclusion, as you =
did, that golf courses as a whole do not have a "significant" impact on =
the environment merely because of this experience.
todd - our "self awareness" is our handicap and of which our challenge =
is to overcome=20
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: andrew pye=20
To: powderworks mail list=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] Re: Re: Golf?
Greg Norman designed and built a golf course not more than 5km from my =
house here on the Sunshine Coast. It had to pass strict environmental =
guide lines and is now part of an important wildlife corridor in the =
area it is in. Minimal impact on the environment was afforded and plans =
were created and carried out according to the pre-construction =
environmental impact study. It has an extensive drain and run off =
system, along with other control mechanisms to control nutrient run off =
during irrigation and heavy rains. While this may not be the case for =
all course in all countries, it is for all golf courses on the Sunshine =
Coast. I know these facts to be true as I was involved with the =
construction of the course approximately 3 years go.=20
Personally, I find it extremely difficult to believe that a golf =
course can be the cause of any significant environmental damage, and in =
many cases, improves the quality of an area. This is an issue that, has =
for the most part, has been created in some extremists mind. The =
ridiculousness of it has me questioning the waisted 2 mins it's taken to =
write this reply!
Anything else you'd like to know?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian Huddell=20
To: 'powderworks mail list'=20
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Powderworks] Re: Re: Golf?
The fact that you're unfamiliar with the growing concern about the =
environmental impact of golf doesn't mean it's a non-issue. Educate =
yourself on the subject, then, if you disagree with the environmentalist =
point of view, make your case, as Kathryn has. Many people still make =
the same sort of statements about beef, for instance: "Aw c'mon. It's =
just cows and grass, what could be more natural?!"
Surprising how many 'workers seem to have been unaware that it was =
an issue at all.
Oh come on! You can't be serious!
This is the most fucked thread I have EVER come across! Grow up =
people! Get
some reality into your lives! Way to give the Green movement a bad =
name!
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hmm....improving on nature? from a =
parking lot to a=20
golf course, yes. tear down a shopping mall and slap down some turf, =
maybe. but=20
suggesting a golf course is an improvement on nature only =
highlights=20
the cause of this inherited dilemma...(myopic human=20
arrogance and the interpretation that man is separate from=20
nature.) </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i am surprised this has =
become an issue=20
to debate being that historically, the evidence against golf=20
courses has become an irrefutable fact. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>andrew, it sounds like the golf course =
you worked=20
on accomplished some improvement over the convention. hats should be =
tipped to=20
those responsible. however I would hesitate to make the conclusion, =
as you=20
did, that golf courses as a whole do not have a "significant" impact on =
the=20
environment merely because of this experience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>todd - our "self awareness" is our=20
handicap and of which our challenge is to =
overcome </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dapye@bigpond.com href=3D"mailto:apye@bigpond.com">andrew =
pye</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks mail list</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 20, 2002 =
8:40=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Powderworks] Re: =
Re:=20
Golf?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Greg Norman designed and built a golf course not more than 5km =
from my=20
house here on the Sunshine Coast. It had to pass strict environmental =
guide=20
lines and is now part of an important wildlife corridor in the area it =
is in.=20
Minimal impact on the environment was afforded and plans were created =
and=20
carried out according to the pre-construction environmental =
impact study.=20
It has an extensive drain and run off system, along with =
other=20
control mechanisms to control nutrient run off during irrigation =
and=20
heavy rains. While this may not be the case for all course in all =
countries,=20
it is for all golf courses on the Sunshine Coast. I know these facts =
to be=20
true as I was involved with the construction of the course =
approximately 3=20
years go. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Personally, I find it extremely difficult to believe that a golf =
course=20
can be the cause of any significant environmental damage, and in many =
cases,=20
improves the quality of an area. This is an issue that, has for the =
most part,=20
has been created in some extremists mind. The ridiculousness of =
it has me=20
questioning the waisted 2 mins it's taken to write this reply!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anything else you'd like to =
know?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbhuddell@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:bhuddell@bellsouth.net">Brian=20
Huddell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">'powderworks mail =
list'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 21, =
2002 12:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Powderworks] =
Re: Re:=20
Golf?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D822214901-21032002>The fact that you're unfamiliar with the =
growing=20
concern about the environmental impact of golf doesn't mean it's a=20
non-issue. Educate yourself on the subject, then, if you =
disagree with=20
the environmentalist point of view, make your case, as Kathryn =
has. =20
Many people still make the same sort of statements about beef, for=20
instance: "Aw c'mon. It's just cows and grass, what =
could be=20
more natural?!"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D822214901-21032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D822214901-21032002>Surprising how many 'workers seem to have =
been=20
unaware that it was an issue at all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Oh =
come on! You=20
can't be serious!<BR><BR>This is the most fucked thread I have =
EVER come=20
across! Grow up people! Get<BR>some reality into your lives! Way =
to give=20
the Green movement a bad=20
=
name!</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD=
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