[Justin H]

Question away - The blatently obvious distinction between theses demos and the
standard bootlegging is that 1/ the band disapproves of this demo being out
and 2/ it contains unreleased material. 
Anymore comments Michael?
Justin

>
>Dear fellow fans
>So, we must now cease all trading.  Some find it offensive. There are
>respectable and non-respectable bootlegs, and I'm afraid that trading
>doesn't work that way.  None of it's respectable!! There's no 'degrees' of

>illegitimacy when it comes to bootlegging.  Anyone that has a bootleg is
>stealing.  It was stolen off the desk, stolen off the airwaves, stolen with

>a hidden mic, the 6 disc tree going around was stolen by some enterprising

>individual at a gig seeking to enjoy the event later on and allow others a

>glimpse.  None of it was made by the band with public distribution in mind

>or, like the Grateful Dead, the band would have a 'tapers' section at gigs.

>We get into this knowing that nothing comes close to the real thing live
>and the boot is but a messy letter written about the hot and steamy event
>you missed. It's too late folks, the gate is open and the horse has bolted!

>There is a fair amount of trading going on involving this band and if the
>band had the popularity now that they had in 1990, these demos would be
>available at Camden Markets and on cheap Asian imports.  How did this stuff

>come to light?  It found its way to fans of the band who traded it along
>with other recordings of illegitimate origin, seeing no distinction.  And
>now these same traders want to stop it here, 'before it gets out of hand?'

>Are these same traders of noble extraction standing by while others
>download MP3s and pass them off as audio boots?  Yep, that's helping the
>band. There are some demos of the first album kicking around too.  Are
>these taboo as well?  I think this reeks of 'I have something precious and

>you can't have it...'  A lot of people have been enjoying the full show
>Capitol Theatre I brought into circulation in 2000.  It was taped by a
>friend of mine off 2JJ for personal enjoyment and it was used in this
>fashion for many years until I coaxed it out of him.  He asked me to take
>it easy as the show has a lot of strong personal memories.  I traded it
>with a few and then it pops up on websites, ftp sites and the like.  Thats

>the nature of the beast.  However, as a result, and to more than offset the

>pain, we both have a pile of good stuff to enjoy and some fine connections

>with other like minded folks.
>
>BTW I have the demos and they make for fascinating listening.  Show me a
>major band that doesn't have a boot of demos kicking around that fans are
>able to enjoy and wonder at how this unit of amazing musicians works the
>magic of taking a seed and spawning a flower of rare beauty.  Did they want

>it to happen?  Has it damaged their reputation or earning potential? This
>voyeuristic appreciation and admiration is where my interest begins and
>ends and if there would be those who would deny me that pleasure, I now
>question you in this public forum.
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>Michael
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>"Justin H" <justinh@jeack.com.au>@cs.colorado.edu on 23/02/2002 04:29:41
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>Please respond to justinh@jeack.com.au
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>Sent by:  powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu
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>To:   "Maurice R. Kelly" <mkelly@deadheart.org.uk>,
>      "'powderworks@cs.colorado.edu'" <powderworks@cs.colorado.edu>
>cc:
>Subject:  RE: [Powderworks] Early demo?
>
>
>Sorry for the late reply, but, TAKE IT OFF!!! This was not made for public

>distribution
>and as Travis has already said, its only out there because someone stole
>it.
>If you cant get it off I will personally take it up with the band.
>Justin.
>
>I expect a reply ASAP with good news.
>
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>>I'm not sure what to do about this. I put it up there to share with fans,

>>in the same way that we've been putting up copies of bootlegs and rare
>>b-sides, etc. I've got other "early versions" on CDs distributed by
>>Powderworkers in the past - okay these were early live versions, but they

>>were still raw, and under-developed.
>>
>>I didn't put the song on the FTP site to humiliate the band. I put it
>>there because I thought people would appreciate the evolution of a song. I

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>>know I do.
>>
>>I'm not going to remove it. If anyone is strongly against it, they can
>>bombard me, or take it into their own hands and remove it. I don't even
>>know if I'm able to delete it.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>--
>>Maurice R. Kelly
>>mkelly@deadheart.org.uk
>>
>>
>>On Feb 21, mwoods@customfleet.com.au wrote:
>>
>>> They wouldn't be in circulation if people weren't trading them to begin

>>> with.  Unauthorised live recordings are somehow more respectable than
>>> unauthorised studio snatch n grabs?
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Travis Zanoni <TravisZ@actf.com.au>@cs.colorado.edu on 21/02/2002
>10:23:54
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>>> Sent by:  powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> To:   "'powderworks@cs.colorado.edu'" <powderworks@cs.colorado.edu>
>>> cc:
>>> Subject:  RE: [Powderworks] Early demo?
>>>
>>>
>>> Maurice I really think that loading it onto the web is a bad idea and a

>tad
>
>>> disrespectful to the band.  The Red Sails demos only got out because
>>> someone, somewhere...maybe at the studio they were recorded, stole a
>copy.
>
>>> The band don't want them out there....if they wanted you to hear
>>> it...they'd
>>> release it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Maurice R. Kelly [mailto:mkelly@deadheart.org.uk]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:03 PM
>>> To: powderworks@cs.colorado.edu
>>> Subject: [Powderworks] Early demo?
>>>
>>>
>>> An Oils collector just mailed me an MP3 of what he says is an early
>>> demo (1983) - it certainly sounds like the Oils - very raw though. The
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