[Powderworks] Re:New lead singers

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...or for that matter (although slightly less tongue in cheek), the Bon
Scott - Brian Johnson debate.  AC/DC was far more popular (globally) once
they kicked off again post-Bon.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Wait [mailto:await@coombs.anu.edu.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 02 April, 2002 3:32 PM
To: Stephen Scott
Cc: powderworks@cs.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] Re:New lead singers

i can't believe that no one has mentioned that great australian act, the
Little River Band. For mine, Glenn Shorrock or Johnny Farnham, I just 
don't care. no other band could do it like LRB, regardless of the singer.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Stephen Scott wrote:

> Hi there,
> I agree with what Dave is saying. I was just using Genesis & Van Halen as
examples. My 
> point was that Genesis were an awful lot more popular with their
replacement singer, 
> which in my opinion is unfortunate as Peter Gabriel was a better
singer/performer. As for 
> Van Halen. I don't think any of their incarnations were really any good.
The only 2 songs 
> I liked were from the Hagar era, but my point was they were still selling
millions even 
> with a new voice. As for Dale Ryder from Boom Crash Opera taking over in
INXS, I think 
> he would have been a close second choice. I don't know what he is doing
now, but I am 
> sure he would have jumped at the chance. Boom Crash Opera have 5 albums
proper, 
> which are all highly recommended if you like INXS. Email me off list if
you want any 
> more details.
> Another group with multiple lead singers is Iron Maiden. Again, I am not a
fan of them, 
> but they were at their most popular with their second singer Bruce
Dickenson. I think 
> their first singer, Robert Di'annio (not sure about the name),
died....though I'm not sure 
> why. Then after Dickenson left, they didn't do so well with a 3rd singer.
Then a la Van 
> Halen, Brucie boy came back, and now they are (inexplicably) back in the
UK top ten. 
> Anyway....here's hoping the Oils never have to make a decision like that.
The only 
> people that could take over from Peter would be either Rob or Jim. Let's
just hope that 
> the job is never EVER given to Phil Collins or Sting. They might as well
let Boyzone or 
> N*sync do it. 
> See youse
> 
> Stephen
> "This is a mad house"
> 
> Although I find these topics of INXS-Oils comparisons & new lead singers
to 
> be kinda silly, I gotta take Stephen & Dale to task on a few points: 
> 
>  Look at Genesis. Peter Gabriel was the first singer. They replaced him
with 
> Phil Collins, 
> and the rest is history. 
>  
> 
> The rest is history? I suppose Genesis were unknown before? While I'm not
a 
> huge fan of art-rock, I know many who are & its widely agreed by them as 
> well as critics that Genesis' most enduring work is from the Peter Gabriel

> period (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway probably being the masterpiece). 
> Its also worth mentioning that Collins fit in so well because he had been 
> their drummer from the start. 
> Yes, they sold more post-Gabriel, but being a fellow Oils fan I'm sure
you'd 
> agree a lasting message & influence on popular music is much more
important. 
> 
>  Look at Van Halen. After David Lee Roth fell foul of Mr. Van Halen, they 
> brought in 
> Sammy Hagar and went massive. 
>  
> 
> Went massive? Again, dude, they were already huge. & again, both fans & 
> critics agree that the best material is from the David Lee Roth era- & its

> the stuff the average joe remembers today. Go ahead, hum a VH tune (ok, if

> you're like me you consider this an unpleasant experiment, but if proves
my 
> point). 
> 
>  Can anyone out there give us any more examples of groups changing 
> singers.... 
>  
> 
> Well, the Small Faces changed practically the whole band at once, & had to

> become the Faces 'cause they weren't so short anymore. 
> And the Yardbirds (after changing lead guitarists twice) also let go of
Rolf 
> (or he moved on himself, whatever), hired Robert Plant to finish the 
> contractual obligations, and morphed into Led Zeppelin. (Actually, going 
> through three legendary guitarists is the real notable of the 'birds
career, 
> since all were the key to their sound.) 
> Finally, the Drifters had 3 excellent vocalists- Clyde McPhatter, Johnny 
> Moore, & Ben E. King (& briefly others)- and unlike Genesis & the examples
I 
> cited, didn't have to completely reinvent themselves with each one, which
is 
> most impressive since the Drifters were all about vocals. Then again, the 
> Motown sound was kinda cookie cutter-ish (& yes, VH's sure was too, but
they 
> did invent the cutter pre-Hagar). In fact, I could probably list 5-10
Motown 
> groups, male & female that also had two or more lead singers, but you
catch 
> my drift. 
> 
> Now, Dale said that the terrible, treakly, weak AOR "artists" Sting or 
> *chortle* Phil Collins could replace PG. Well, sure you did make it clear
it 
> was just your opinion, but I just couldn't let that one slide by. Sting 
> because he's also an environmentalist? Collins *snort* because....? Uh, 
> because...? Gabriel at least has a comparable energy/persona/uniqueness,
but 
> even there, I think you must be thinking of Gabriel in his prime (ie, with

> Genesis). 
> 
> Anyway, Peter Garrett ain't going anywhere, & in any case the Oils without

> him would be like an Italian restaurant without pasta (I guess for the
girls 
> that makes Rob the veal). 
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>...or for that matter (although slightly less tongue in cheek), the Bon</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Scott - Brian Johnson debate.&nbsp; AC/DC was far more popular (globally) once</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>they kicked off again post-Bon.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>David</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Andrew Wait [<A HREF="mailto:await@coombs.anu.edu.au">mailto:await@coombs.anu.edu.au</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Tuesday, 02 April, 2002 3:32 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Stephen Scott</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: powderworks@cs.colorado.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [Powderworks] Re:New lead singers</FONT>
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i can't believe that no one has mentioned that great australian act, the
 Little River Band. For mine, Glenn Shorrock or Johnny Farnham, I just 
 don't care. no other band could do it like LRB, regardless of the singer.
 &nbsp;

<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Stephen Scott wrote:</FONT>
</P>

&gt; Hi there,
 &gt; I agree with what Dave is saying. I was just using Genesis &amp; Van Halen as
 examples. My 
 &gt; point was that Genesis were an awful lot more popular with their
 replacement singer, 
 &gt; which in my opinion is unfortunate as Peter Gabriel was a better
 singer/performer. As for 
 &gt; Van Halen. I don't think any of their incarnations were really any good.
 The only 2 songs 
 &gt; I liked were from the Hagar era, but my point was they were still selling
 millions even 
 &gt; with a new voice. As for Dale Ryder from Boom Crash Opera taking over in
 INXS, I think 
 &gt; he would have been a close second choice. I don't know what he is doing
 now, but I am 
 &gt; sure he would have jumped at the chance. Boom Crash Opera have 5 albums
 proper, 
 &gt; which are all highly recommended if you like INXS. Email me off list if
 you want any 
 &gt; more details.
 &gt; Another group with multiple lead singers is Iron Maiden. Again, I am not a
 fan of them, 
 &gt; but they were at their most popular with their second singer Bruce
 Dickenson. I think 
 &gt; their first singer, Robert Di'annio (not sure about the name),
 died....though I'm not sure 
 &gt; why. Then after Dickenson left, they didn't do so well with a 3rd singer.
 Then a la Van 
 &gt; Halen, Brucie boy came back, and now they are (inexplicably) back in the
 UK top ten. 
 &gt; Anyway....here's hoping the Oils never have to make a decision like that.
 The only 
 &gt; people that could take over from Peter would be either Rob or Jim. Let's
 just hope that 
 &gt; the job is never EVER given to Phil Collins or Sting. They might as well
 let Boyzone or 
 &gt; N*sync do it. 
 &gt; See youse
 &gt; 
 &gt; Stephen
 &gt; &quot;This is a mad house&quot;
 &gt; 
 &gt; Although I find these topics of INXS-Oils comparisons &amp; new lead singers
 to 
 &gt; be kinda silly, I gotta take Stephen &amp; Dale to task on a few points: 
 &gt; 
 &gt;&nbsp; Look at Genesis. Peter Gabriel was the first singer. They replaced him
 with 
 &gt; Phil Collins, 
 &gt; and the rest is history. 
 &gt;&nbsp; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; The rest is history? I suppose Genesis were unknown before? While I'm not
 a 
 &gt; huge fan of art-rock, I know many who are &amp; its widely agreed by them as 
 &gt; well as critics that Genesis' most enduring work is from the Peter Gabriel

&gt; period (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway probably being the masterpiece). 
 &gt; Its also worth mentioning that Collins fit in so well because he had been 
 &gt; their drummer from the start. 
 &gt; Yes, they sold more post-Gabriel, but being a fellow Oils fan I'm sure
 you'd 
 &gt; agree a lasting message &amp; influence on popular music is much more
 important. 
 &gt; 
 &gt;&nbsp; Look at Van Halen. After David Lee Roth fell foul of Mr. Van Halen, they 
 &gt; brought in 
 &gt; Sammy Hagar and went massive. 
 &gt;&nbsp; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Went massive? Again, dude, they were already huge. &amp; again, both fans &amp; 
 &gt; critics agree that the best material is from the David Lee Roth era- &amp; its

&gt; the stuff the average joe remembers today. Go ahead, hum a VH tune (ok, if

&gt; you're like me you consider this an unpleasant experiment, but if proves
 my 
 &gt; point). 
 &gt; 
 &gt;&nbsp; Can anyone out there give us any more examples of groups changing 
 &gt; singers.... 
 &gt;&nbsp; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Well, the Small Faces changed practically the whole band at once, &amp; had to

&gt; become the Faces 'cause they weren't so short anymore. 
 &gt; And the Yardbirds (after changing lead guitarists twice) also let go of
 Rolf 
 &gt; (or he moved on himself, whatever), hired Robert Plant to finish the 
 &gt; contractual obligations, and morphed into Led Zeppelin. (Actually, going 
 &gt; through three legendary guitarists is the real notable of the 'birds
 career, 
 &gt; since all were the key to their sound.) 
 &gt; Finally, the Drifters had 3 excellent vocalists- Clyde McPhatter, Johnny 
 &gt; Moore, &amp; Ben E. King (&amp; briefly others)- and unlike Genesis &amp; the examples
 I 
 &gt; cited, didn't have to completely reinvent themselves with each one, which
 is 
 &gt; most impressive since the Drifters were all about vocals. Then again, the 
 &gt; Motown sound was kinda cookie cutter-ish (&amp; yes, VH's sure was too, but
 they 
 &gt; did invent the cutter pre-Hagar). In fact, I could probably list 5-10
 Motown 
 &gt; groups, male &amp; female that also had two or more lead singers, but you
 catch 
 &gt; my drift. 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Now, Dale said that the terrible, treakly, weak AOR &quot;artists&quot; Sting or 
 &gt; *chortle* Phil Collins could replace PG. Well, sure you did make it clear
 it 
 &gt; was just your opinion, but I just couldn't let that one slide by. Sting 
 &gt; because he's also an environmentalist? Collins *snort* because....? Uh, 
 &gt; because...? Gabriel at least has a comparable energy/persona/uniqueness,
 but 
 &gt; even there, I think you must be thinking of Gabriel in his prime (ie, with

&gt; Genesis). 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Anyway, Peter Garrett ain't going anywhere, &amp; in any case the Oils without

&gt; him would be like an Italian restaurant without pasta (I guess for the
 girls 
 &gt; that makes Rob the veal). 
 &gt; 
 &gt; _________________________________________________________________ 
 &gt; Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: <A HREF="http://messenger.msn.com" TARGET="_blank">http://messenger.msn.com</A> 
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