Midnight Oil

[Powderworks] Re:New lead singers

Andrew Wait await@coombs.anu.edu.au
Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:32:22 +1000 (EST)

i can't believe that no one has mentioned that great australian act, the
Little River Band. For mine, Glenn Shorrock or Johnny Farnham, I just 
don't care. no other band could do it like LRB, regardless of the singer.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Stephen Scott wrote:

> Hi there,
> I agree with what Dave is saying. I was just using Genesis & Van Halen as examples. My 
> point was that Genesis were an awful lot more popular with their replacement singer, 
> which in my opinion is unfortunate as Peter Gabriel was a better singer/performer. As for 
> Van Halen. I don't think any of their incarnations were really any good. The only 2 songs 
> I liked were from the Hagar era, but my point was they were still selling millions even 
> with a new voice. As for Dale Ryder from Boom Crash Opera taking over in INXS, I think 
> he would have been a close second choice. I don't know what he is doing now, but I am 
> sure he would have jumped at the chance. Boom Crash Opera have 5 albums proper, 
> which are all highly recommended if you like INXS. Email me off list if you want any 
> more details.
> Another group with multiple lead singers is Iron Maiden. Again, I am not a fan of them, 
> but they were at their most popular with their second singer Bruce Dickenson. I think 
> their first singer, Robert Di'annio (not sure about the name), died....though I'm not sure 
> why. Then after Dickenson left, they didn't do so well with a 3rd singer. Then a la Van 
> Halen, Brucie boy came back, and now they are (inexplicably) back in the UK top ten. 
> Anyway....here's hoping the Oils never have to make a decision like that. The only 
> people that could take over from Peter would be either Rob or Jim. Let's just hope that 
> the job is never EVER given to Phil Collins or Sting. They might as well let Boyzone or 
> N*sync do it. 
> See youse
> Stephen
> "This is a mad house"
> Although I find these topics of INXS-Oils comparisons & new lead singers to 
> be kinda silly, I gotta take Stephen & Dale to task on a few points: 
>  Look at Genesis. Peter Gabriel was the first singer. They replaced him with 
> Phil Collins, 
> and the rest is history. 
> The rest is history? I suppose Genesis were unknown before? While I'm not a 
> huge fan of art-rock, I know many who are & its widely agreed by them as 
> well as critics that Genesis' most enduring work is from the Peter Gabriel 
> period (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway probably being the masterpiece). 
> Its also worth mentioning that Collins fit in so well because he had been 
> their drummer from the start. 
> Yes, they sold more post-Gabriel, but being a fellow Oils fan I'm sure you'd 
> agree a lasting message & influence on popular music is much more important. 
>  Look at Van Halen. After David Lee Roth fell foul of Mr. Van Halen, they 
> brought in 
> Sammy Hagar and went massive. 
> Went massive? Again, dude, they were already huge. & again, both fans & 
> critics agree that the best material is from the David Lee Roth era- & its 
> the stuff the average joe remembers today. Go ahead, hum a VH tune (ok, if 
> you're like me you consider this an unpleasant experiment, but if proves my 
> point). 
>  Can anyone out there give us any more examples of groups changing 
> singers.... 
> Well, the Small Faces changed practically the whole band at once, & had to 
> become the Faces 'cause they weren't so short anymore. 
> And the Yardbirds (after changing lead guitarists twice) also let go of Rolf 
> (or he moved on himself, whatever), hired Robert Plant to finish the 
> contractual obligations, and morphed into Led Zeppelin. (Actually, going 
> through three legendary guitarists is the real notable of the 'birds career, 
> since all were the key to their sound.) 
> Finally, the Drifters had 3 excellent vocalists- Clyde McPhatter, Johnny 
> Moore, & Ben E. King (& briefly others)- and unlike Genesis & the examples I 
> cited, didn't have to completely reinvent themselves with each one, which is 
> most impressive since the Drifters were all about vocals. Then again, the 
> Motown sound was kinda cookie cutter-ish (& yes, VH's sure was too, but they 
> did invent the cutter pre-Hagar). In fact, I could probably list 5-10 Motown 
> groups, male & female that also had two or more lead singers, but you catch 
> my drift. 
> Now, Dale said that the terrible, treakly, weak AOR "artists" Sting or 
> *chortle* Phil Collins could replace PG. Well, sure you did make it clear it 
> was just your opinion, but I just couldn't let that one slide by. Sting 
> because he's also an environmentalist? Collins *snort* because....? Uh, 
> because...? Gabriel at least has a comparable energy/persona/uniqueness, but 
> even there, I think you must be thinking of Gabriel in his prime (ie, with 
> Genesis). 
> Anyway, Peter Garrett ain't going anywhere, & in any case the Oils without 
> him would be like an Italian restaurant without pasta (I guess for the girls 
> that makes Rob the veal). 
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