Midnight Oil

Subject: Re: [powderworks] Facebook page
From: Chris
Date: 5/04/2017, 2:48 pm
To: Miron Mizrahi <mironmizrahi@yahoo.com>, "powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au" <powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au>, Endurance Dancer <quiltybuckle@yahoo.com.au>

The band decided to allocate only 50 and only to NSW and to do it in secret 
there is no need for this to be an either/or

Therein is the crux of my frustration.

If the band was willing to offer 50 tickets to Powderworkers, why 50 to the Facebook group and none here? This isn't a large group anymore, even 20 tickets would have gone a long way towards ensuring that long-time list members had a shot. And while I've been around a while now, I'm not talking about me, either. That done, by all means give the other 30 over to Facebook.

For that matter, why not offer more straight to the fan groups? If we're paying full price anyway, any ticket sold to a fan is mission accomplished, right? So why 50, and not, say, 500? I mean, the way they did it (have Brett review group members by hand and nominate suitable candidates) clearly doesn't scale, but it's not like that's the only possible way to do it....


On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 13:55 Miron Mizrahi <mironmizrahi@yahoo.com> wrote:
I tend to assume the positive so will wait for evidence to emerge before I conclude that something sinister is going on :)

having said that, I think Brett has had the connection anyway. I don't see the office deciding that he is the fans' rep. He has connection and as it so happens is also admin of the FB group so they went with him as FB is definitely the more active and visible forum. and I am not surprised Oils wanted it secret. making it public ahead of time would have created a lot of noise and headaches. better ask forgiveness than permission. I do have some issues with how the process panned out but I would have probably done the same thing. The band decided to allocate only 50 and only to NSW and to do it in secret. it wasn't - as far as I can tell - Brett.

I agree that the legacy of this list is far greater but there is no need for this to be an either/or. both forums can co exist and people are free to choose to belong to one or the other or both.

How could people get so unkind?

From: Chris <seeker42@gmail.com>
To: Miron Mizrahi <mironmizrahi@yahoo.com>; "powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au" <powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au>; Endurance Dancer <quiltybuckle@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [powderworks] Facebook page

The Facebook group is popular, so I have to recognise that it has some legitimacy in that respect.

However, it has no shared lineage with this page at all - it started as an awareness/petition group (something like "Powderworkers in support of Midnight Oil Reformation" and was renamed into a more general fan group after the band announced they would be reforming.

I'm quite annoyed that it's being treated as the "real" Powderworks, and Brett Beattie as the fan's representative to the Office. This list, though diminished, is the real deal, and members here have had a relationship with the Office for far longer than the Facebook group has existed.

In a conversation on FB, Brett claimed that the secret process was per requests from the Office. I'm sceptical, but they're talking to him and not to us, so how should we know?


On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 13:18 Miron Mizrahi mironmizrahi@yahoo.com [powderworks] <powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
no relationship.

I am admin here but not on FB.

I see no reason to close this list down. not everyone uses FB. plus, it can be tiresome trawling thru all the posts on FB

How could people get so unkind?

From: "Endurance Dancer quiltybuckle@yahoo.com.au [powderworks]" <powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au>
To: "powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au" <powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: [powderworks] Facebook page

Hey comrades;

What is the relationship between this group and the FB page? Are there any admins from here who also mange the Powderworker page on Facey? 

How many fans are now using FB instead of this list? 

Are email forums like this an outdated discussion platform? Is email in itself dead in the water? 

It seems the discussion on FB is very vibrant and robust, and is reaching out to more ppl. 

I remember logging into this group in the 90s when email was a novelty. 
"We will ride, ride, ride one more mile...Let's Ride!"