Midnight Oil

Subject: Re: File sharing advice in general
From: "Nicholas Williams" <hemispheres.6633@gmail.com>
Date: 20/11/2007, 2:56 pm
To: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au

Fair enough. But, do we have any word from them on demos? Since, well,
I have demos from the first album, Head Injuries, Place without a
Postcard, Red Sails, and Species Deceases, some of which can't be
found anywhere else.

Speaking of those demos but not of file sharing, if anyone can get me
titles of some of the unknown songs from the Place without a Postcard
demos, I'd be greatly appreciative, since referring to them as
"Unknown 1" and whatnot will be a pain, as I'm... attempting to
compile information anout the Oils on one site, since most information
sources are a wee bit... out of date, last I checked.

--- In powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au, "Seeker" <seeker42@...> wrote:

That's my understanding too - unreleased live material is fine and the
band have confirmed this - I seem to remember Jeff Scott (maybe, my
recollection could be wrong) showed some band members the collected
Anthoilogy footage? - and shows containing released material
(particularly the MTV Unplugged shows) are only to be distributed if
the released content is removed. In the case of an alternate source to
the released material, distribution is usually allowed - ie. an
audience recording of a released concert is fine, but to distrubute
the video of a song for which the audio has been commercially released
is not, and probably illegal.

Whether this is all 100% legal I don't know, but it's how the tapers
"code of honour", so to speak, operates. No-one profits, and no-one
gets released material for free. Seems fair!

--- In powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au, "Beth Curran" <bcurran@> wrote:

No flame shields needed - this was a courteously worded and very
timely reminder!

I seem to remember from historical discussions of this topic that
when considering sharing of live recordings, one ought to consider the
wishes of the band.  I believe that live show sharing was OK with the
Oils members provided that none were ever sold or otherwise used as a
source of profit, but I'm not sure whether this is an accurate
recollection.  Youth and others could probably advise us better on
that? - Beth

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RM 
  To: powderworks 
  Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:01 PM
  Subject: [powderworks] File sharing advice in general

  (flame shields up)
  All and sundry,
  Please be advised that sharing of potentially copyright materials
is not advisable, given that recording industry entities are choosing
to enforce copyright penalties with unrepentant vigour on those who
"make available" copyright materials for duplication.
  The Powderworks list has not historically reached a firm agreement
as a community to either condone or condemn file sharing
philosophically, however it is known to be illegal in some instances
and legal in others, and the voluntary list administrators cannot
usually ascertain whether a specific piece falls under a copyright
agreement or not and therefore which instances are illegal and which
are not.  
  Hence, sharing of files is considered to be a matter for
individuals to carefully ascertain whether the material is under
copyright or not, so as to assess whether it can be shared or not.  
  It has occasionally been suggested by inexpert opinion that
material recorded at live shows may not be under copyright depending
on the prevailing agreements at the time, but materials distributed by
professional music businesses normally are under some form of
copyright.  Any lawyers or industry professionals are welcome to make
  Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your music and
technology responsibly.  It may save you thousands of dollars in legal
fees.   :)


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plaintiffs, Capitol, and ordered that she pay a $222,000 fine for 24
cases of copyright infringement." 

  on 17/11/07 12:07:

    I am also settled now with access to the internet and will look
to make some shows available through torrents - is this an acceptable
method to share shows with the group ? I know I see mentions of
sharing but am not totally sure how you are all doing this - am happy
to share the goods around :)