[Julian Shaw (Man Myth or Monkey?)]

That is fair enough Bruce. I think people rejected most of the reasons for 
other "isms" very quickly over the last few hundred year but speciesism is 
probably one which will never go away. It's quite understandable really as our 
very nature has taught us to do what we need to survive at the expense of 
other species. It is what has led to our survival. But is it still needed now?

>===== Original Message From Bruce Robertson <the_oil_fish at yahoo.ca> =====
>It somehow seems appropriate to address this post to:
>
>Jules and my Fellow Polar Bears,
>
>Mike B. addressed most of the questions below with far more eloquence and 
intelligence than I could ever muster, so I'll leave it be.
>
>But concerning Julian's first question:
>
>*is it ethical to put jobs before animal welfare?
>
>I would have to say yes, provided the discussion is rooted in a more-or-less 
humanistic tradition. Perhaps I suffer from what Paul Theroux might have 
called the "Tarzan complex" (and am too dim to care) but I tend to wind up on 
the side of  loyalty to my own species first, and I'll eat anybody who 
disagrees. At least most of the time, when push comes to shove.
>
>bruce in calgary
>
>"Julian Shaw (Man Myth or Monkey?)" <julian at monkeyfamily.freeserve.co.uk> 
wrote:
>Haha the thread goes on. I am not an expert on the issue but I think seal
>hunting has similar issues to fox hunting:
>
>*is it ethical to put jobs before animal welfare?
>*or tradition over reducing animal cruelty?
>*the debatable beneficial impact of doing it anyway (as in fox hunting)
>*the often cruel methods employed (as in fox hunting)
>
>But you already know where I would stand on all of these issues...
>
>Julian
>
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