[Julian Shaw]

Whoa there, no need to get offensive!

Surely you guys are talking at cross purposes. Matt said he didn't want JH
to apologise because it was not his personal fault. Damien surely you are
not saying it is John Howard's fault! And surely Matt does not mean that the
Government was not to blame. John Howard could apologise on behalf of the
Government surely and not accept any personal blame?!

So what is the problem with John Howard apologising on behalf of the
Government? Surely the Government can't deny guilt when these things were
happening only a generation ago. The Government after all is more than just
the present administration. You wouldn't expect governments to shirk their
responsibility because it happened under a different administration.

Julian Lewis Shaw
Man, Myth or Monkey? Find out:
http://www.jlshaw.co.uk
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To: <powderworks@cs.colorado.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] NMOC:Rabbit Proof Fence


>
>
> You were right about starting to get shit thrown around with that
remark!!!
> you little Redneck Fuck!!
> Paul Keating said sorry and publicly revealed the horrors these people
went
> through (in his great speech in Redfren Park in 1992) and were there
> millions of dollars in phony law suits then??? no
> Just the beginning of a public understanding and support for people that
has
> missed out on it for too long!
> And all Howard has done has brought it upon himself to waste our tax
payers
> dollars turning back every bit of landmark policy Keating put in place.
(yes
> i am pissed off and yes i am a Keating and Gough Whitlam fan! so fucking
> shoot me!!!).
>
>             All the best wishes to the non Redneck Fucks out there who are
> not responsible for hate and xenophobia and the need to support the
bastards
> who want to bomb the living daylights out of women and children for
> Oil!!!!!!,
>                                         [name removed].
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Cowdery" <mcowd@mars.ocs.mq.edu.au>
> >Reply-To: "Matthew Cowdery" <mcowd@mars.ocs.mq.edu.au>
> >To: "workers" <powderworks@cs.colorado.edu>
> >Subject: Re: [Powderworks] NMOC:Rabbit Proof Fence
> >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:35:50 +1100
> >
> >The "stolen generation" policy was particularly directed at half-caste
> >children, most of whom were illigitimate.
> >
> >At the beginning it was intended to help the children not harm them - to
> >give them "proper" living conditions & not "live like animals".
> >
> >Most of the children were given training so that they could become maids,
> >or
> >cooks, or something similar for the girls and most of the boys became
> >stockmen working with the sheep & cattle (& they do make brilliant
> >stockmen!)
> >
> >Aboriginals were seen as animals with very limited or no intelligence
that
> >you could do what you wanted with - hunting them for sport included - and
> >that is how they justified taking the children away from their parents.
> >
> >So even though it started out with good intentions it quickly became a
bit
> >of a monster.
> >
> >Just to throw a bit of thunder around - do you think John Howard owes the
> >Aboriginal people an apology for the Stolen Generation?
> >
> >Personally, I don't think he should apologize. He didn't have anything to
> >do
> >with the policy so apologizing is admitting guilt for something he had
> >nothing to do with.
> >
> >I think Australia as a whole (and especially the politicians involved
with
> >dreaming up & implementing the policy) should apologize - say we are
sorry
> >that it happened - but I don't think we can or should accept the
> >responsibility for it (not to mention the millions of dollars of law
suits
> >that would follow).
> >
> >Matt
> >
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