[Kate Adams]

If you have any suggestions for bringing the CIA under democratic control 
and congressional oversight, do let us know.  The Honduran democracy 
activist/death-squad refugee I used to supervise and I, despite several 
pints of beer on a number of occasions, never managed to figure it out.

Like most here I do not deny that the US, past and present, has been 
involved in a lot of serious human rights abuses abroad, all under the 
general umbrella of "national interest".  Unfortunately, terrorist attacks 
seem to bring about auto immune attacks on internal liberties that allow us 
to protest and take collective action. They also galvanize those who 
support armed response over applying the precautionary principle to foreign 
policy analysis, and provide a splendid distraction from the rest of what 
goes on (such as what you tell us is going on in Central and South 
America).  We also have media that likes to passively report on things 
after they happen, because to report things at a time when one could, say, 
still call their member of congress would "lack objectivity" as it could 
actually influence the outcome of an event!  So much for original 
constitutional intent for a free press.

In the meantime, a little quiz for you Escrutador: (no helpers please)

In "The Power and The Passion" the Oils sing "Its better to die on your 
feet than to live on your knees".  This was not an original quote.  To whom 
may the original quote be attributed?

One person, doing the best I can, thoroughly fatigable, seeking liberty and 
justice for all
Kate

At 10:25 AM 9/15/02 -0500, escrutador wrote:

>Ok, let's assume mass media versions of Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks are true.
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>But I still have not seen concrete proofs about it.
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>Now, something to refresh our memories
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>
>After september 11th:
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>Coup' de etat in Venezuela by the oligarchy supported on some army forces 
>elements and the approval of the U.S. government.
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>U.S. embassadors threatening the people of Bolivia on election days.
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>Increasing of military, logistical and financial support to Colombia Plan, 
>while a paramilitary fascist assumed the power in that brother country.
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>Increasing of military personal on Manta, Ecuador.
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>Continous military manouvers on Vieques in spite people's resistence.
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>Before September 11th 2001:
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>On September 11th, 1973. Coup d'etat leaded by Jose Augusto Pinochet 
>Ugarte that overthrow Salvador Allende's democratic government, the 
>participation of the CIA is fully documented.
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>3,000 people death in Chile by dictatorship.
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>Around 10,000 people death in South America because Condor Plan.
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>This is the starting age for dictatorship in Latin America also for 
>neoliberalism.... i'm not able to count all the people that died because 
>the represion, torture, starving and poverty commited by "the Washington 
>friends" in Latin America.
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>By the way:
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>The brain washing levels in America are pathetic.
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>yours
>
>escrutador
>
>
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