[Powderworks] the 60 mins thing/aftermath
Beth Curran
bcurran@columbus.rr.com
Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:27:10 -0500
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Is anyone familiar with the statistics that Lomberg cited regarding
world hunger rates? Was there a little statistical diddling going on
there? The New York Times had an article this week about the
particularly devastating effect AIDS will have in subsistence
communities in Africa, because the knowledge needed to survive droughts
is traditionally kept by and passed on by women, and AIDS, which
disproportionately kills women, results in vast numbers of women dying
before they are old enough to acquire or pass on this vital information.
Hey, if more people are dead of hunger and disease, then there will be
fewer starving people in absolute numbers, right?
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Wow. Only 840 million starving people, so we don=92t have to worry. =
And
it=92s good to know that Lomberg can so confidently predict that loss of
biodiversity will not have the effect we fear it will. God bless the
linear mind.
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Notwithstanding this, it was kinda na=EFve to propose stopping spending =
on
defense, if that is in fact what PG said - those who talk about reducing
defense spending are often =93selectively=94 quoted. And this bit about
Lomberg publishing a refutation on his Web site sounds fishy to me =96
such a rebuttal belongs in the journal in which the original work was
published. Even the cold fusionists did that (and believe me, that was
some dishy reading!) - Beth
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From: powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu
[mailto:powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Erin Oneill
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:41 PM
To: <
Subject: [Powderworks] the 60 mins thing/aftermath
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Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the Australian newspaper had an article by Alan Wood
discussing the 60 'interview'. Today it was followed up by some
rebuttals in the Letters section.
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See:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5512108%25
5E7583,00.html=20
for the article, and:
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<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sectionindex2/0,5746,ausletters1%5
e%5eTEXT,00.html>
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sectionindex2/0,5746,ausletters1^^T
EXT,00.html
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for the letters.
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Cheerio,
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Erin.
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Erin O'Neill, PhD
Dept. of Human Physiology,
University of Newcastle,
Callaghan, NSW, 2308
Australia
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02 4921 5012
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Is anyone familiar with the =
statistics
that <span class=3DSpellE>Lomberg</span> cited regarding world hunger =
rates?<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>Was there a little statistical =
diddling going
on there? <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>The New York Times =
had an
article this week about the particularly devastating effect AIDS will =
have in subsistence
communities in Africa, because the knowledge needed to survive droughts =
is
traditionally kept by and passed on by women, and AIDS, which =
disproportionately
kills women, results in vast numbers of women dying before they are old =
enough
to acquire or pass on this vital information.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0
</span>Hey, if more people are dead of hunger and disease, then there =
will be
fewer starving people in absolute numbers, =
right?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wow.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0
</span>Only 840 million starving people, so we don’t have to =
worry.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>And it’s good to know that =
<span
class=3DSpellE>Lomberg</span> can so confidently predict that loss of
biodiversity will not have the effect we fear it will.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>God bless the linear =
mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Notwithstanding this, it was <span
class=3DSpellE>kinda</span> na=EFve to propose stopping spending on =
defense, if
that is in fact what PG said - those who talk about reducing defense =
spending
are often “selectively” quoted. <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span>And this bit about <span =
class=3DSpellE>Lomberg</span>
publishing a refutation on his Web site sounds fishy to me – such =
a rebuttal
belongs in the journal in which the original work was published.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>Even the cold fusionists did that =
(and
believe me, that was some <span class=3DSpellE>dishy</span> reading!) - =
Beth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu =
[mailto:powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Erin Oneill<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November =
19, 2002
8:41 PM<br>
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the 60 mins
thing/aftermath</span></font></p>
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the Australian newspaper had an article by Alan Wood =
discussing the
60 'interview'. Today it was followed up by some rebuttals in the =
Letters
section.</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif"><span
style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Microsoft Sans =
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2108%255E7583,00.html">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_=
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O'Neill, PhD<br>
Dept. of Human Physiology,<br>
University of Newcastle,<br>
Callaghan, NSW, 2308<br>
Australia</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3D"Microsoft Sans =
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